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An interview with Reg Hartt

Question: You’re going through a rough patch? How do you feel?

Reg Hartt: Pretty good, actually. Just before Christmas I found I am ranked among the 50 best/most famous orators of all time: .

Question: How did that happen?

Reg Hartt: I started living the life the Wilhelm/Baynes I CHING teaches in 1968. One of the things it teaches is that if our words are well spoken they meet with approval thousands of miles away adding “Not so nearby.” The closer people are the less people listen, the more people take for granted.

Question: Clearly you need a lawyer. Do you have one?

Reg Hartt: Mitch Engell.

Question: What made you choose him?

Reg Hartt: When I was in custody I realized I needed a lawyer. The guys in detention turned me on to Mitch. He took care of me. When I got out friends who knew Leo Adler told me to get in touch with him. I did.

Question: Leo Adler has a big profile. Why didn’t you stick with him?

Reg Hartt: Adler said he would supervise but that in court he would not be there. It would be one of his people. Adler’s office wanted a fee for me to talk with him. When I said I did not have the money they said they would not charge a fee. Adler and his team were impressive. I signed with them.  I called Mitch Engell. He said we should talk. We met. He said he was interested in the case as it is unique. He said, “Leo he won’t be in court for you. It will be one of his people. I would have been in court for you.” We parted with Mitch saying he was going to keep an eye on the case. Over the next couple of days I reflected on what he had said. I wanted someone who would be there in court for me. Adler had the much higher profile but he would not be there. Mitch would be. I decided to go with Mitch. Engell said Leo would probably return the money I gave him. He didn’t. Said it was his consulting fee. He’s welcome to it. Clearly, Mitch was the better choice.

Question: How come we did not hear of this earlier?

Reg Hartt: There was a publication ban.

Question: Notice of this first appeared in THE SUN. How did they hear of it?

Reg Hartt: You’d have to ask them. My lawyer called. He told me THE SUN was doing a story. He had been in court that day over the case. He said THE CROWN agreed to drop the manufacturing and distribution charges as there was no evidence to back them up. If I plead guilty I could serve weekends.

Question: That sounds good. Why didn’t you?

Reg Hartt: Because I would then be on a sex offenders list; I would not be able to travel to many countries; the police had not found the file they listed on their warrant. This was a set-up. The file they did find was one I had pointed out to them.

Question: Why did you have that file? What was in it.

Reg Hartt: The file contained pictures of Byran Jesse Marrson Dumanch. He lived on an army base in Germany. He had become an internet porn star in his youth.

Question: How did that happen?

Reg Hartt: Not the way it usually does. Usually it is one or more men behind the scenes. In his case from what I understand it was his mother.

Question: His mother!?! What kind of mother does that to her child?

Reg Hartt: Billy Veltzell, the man I met when I arrived in Toronto after I walked out of high school in Sault Ste. Marie, was put to work by his mother at ten servicing her johns for extra money. It happens a lot actually.

Question: Why are you interested in Dumanche?

Reg Hartt: The better question is why aren’t you?

Question: Had not thought of that.

Reg Hartt: Most don’t. Like Dumanche I became sexually active at an early age.

Question: How old were you? How did that happen? Were you seduced?

Reg Hartt: I was six. My cousin, who was five, and I came across some older boys in their teens naked doing stuff I never dreamed we could do in the bush behind my father’s family’s house in Minto, New Brunswick. I asked my cousin, “What are they doing?” He said, “Fucking.” I said, “What’s that?” He pulled out his dick and said, “Let me show you.” He was circumcised. I thought I had something wrong with my dick when I saw his. He knew more at five than I knew at six.

Question: Were you just interested in boys?

Reg Hartt: No. I was fascinated by sex. All kids are. I had no idea such a small part of our body was capable of such immense sensation. We got all our cousins naked, male and female. We were kids playing. We were innocent. It was not until one of my aunts, Aunt Cecilia, caught us that we learned when you play these games you post a guard.

Question: What happened next?

Reg: I started school. There was a big fight between my mother, who was raised Church of England, and my father’s family, which was Roman Catholic about whether I would go to Public School or Catholic School.

Question: How did it end?

Reg Hartt: My mother said, “Why don’t we let him decide?” No one could argue. She was a very smart, strong willed woman. That night when we were alone she asked, “Do you want to go to Catholic School with the bad kids or Public School with the good kids?

Question: That’s pretty terrible.

Reg Hartt: Mothers can be pretty terrible. Nonetheless, it was the right choice. Thanks to it I learned one of the most important lessons of my life.

Question: What was that?

Reg Hartt: I learned that people who are our friends one moment can, for no apparent reason, turn against us the next.

Question: How did you learn that?

Reg Hartt: When I came home from school the first day all my cousins were waiting for me. They threw sticks. They threw stones. They called me a name I did not understand. The name cut deeper than the sticks and stones. It’s not true that while sticks and stones may break our bones names can never hurt us. Names hurt. Often mortally. Nonetheless, it turned out to be a good thing.

Question: How so?

Reg Hartt: It began the process of me learning to think for myself. I began to walk alone. People who walk alone either become serial killers or someone very strong.

Question: How so?

Reg Hartt: The word they shouted was the word “Protestant.” It was the beginning of my becoming queer.

Question: What do you mean?

Reg Hartt: I was now different from everyone else. That difference made me queer. I realized that as a result of it I could be killed. Nonetheless, it was a good thing. It was a very good thing.

Question: How does that link with Dumanche?

Reg Hartt: It led to my being emotionally traumatized at fourteen.

Question: It appears to me you were traumatized at six. What happened at fourteen?

To be continued.

Interviewer: Bill William.

Johann Fichte: “It is impossible to remove the disobedience gene from people who learn to think for themself.”


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